Dichiarò che le sue consulenze iniziali erano rivolte esclusivamente alla sua sfera di competenza, l'economia, per aiutare la ripresa della nazione sudamericana[16]: «I do not consider it as evil for an economist to render technical economic advice to the Chilean Government, any more than I would regard it as evil for a physician to give technical medical advice to the Chilean Government to help end a medical plague.», «Io non considero male, per un economista, offrire una consulenza tecnica economica al governo cileno, non più di quanto avrei considerato male per un medico fornire una consulenza tecnica medica al governo cileno per aiutare a porre fine a un'epidemia.», Friedman e i suoi meriti di studioso furono difesi però anche da anti-monetaristi come Federico Caffè.[16]. [11], Lo stesso Friedman ha comunque sempre evitato qualsiasi sostegno politico attivo al regime di Pinochet, da cui ha anzi preso le distanze in più occasioni:.mw-parser-output .citazione-table{margin-bottom:.5em;font-size:95%}.mw-parser-output .citazione-table td{padding:0 1.2em 0 2.4em}.mw-parser-output .citazione-lang{vertical-align:top}.mw-parser-output .citazione-lang td{width:50%}.mw-parser-output .citazione-lang td:first-child{padding:0 0 0 2.4em}.mw-parser-output .citazione-lang td:nth-child(2){padding:0 1.2em}, «Chile is not a politically free system, and I do not condone the system. I could be wrong, but I don’t think this was an analysis of conservative values generally. Free trade, open borders, taco trucks on every corner. I'm having trouble understanding this part. I dont oppose hierarchy in general. Otherwise, your opinion is as valuable as the next goober. Controlling inflation is a job of the government. We have to complement this with some other points though. The workers should own all the shares," is a straw communist. Nel 1971 Murray Rothbard, pensatore anarco-capitalista, scrisse per la rivista The Individualist un articolo nel quale definiva le teorie di Friedman come totalitarie e stataliste. "[17]», Egli sostenne che il suo consiglio di liberalizzare l'economia avrebbe portato la libertà politica e la caduta del regime. And we can play this game forever. The only way to expect a business to behave morally is to force it. When asked about it during an interview with Icelandic TV in 1984, Friedman said that the criticism referred to a different problem from that which he and Schwartz had tackled, and hence was irrelevant, and pointed out the lack of consequential peer review amongst econometricians on Hendry's work. [...] We as parents should transmit values to our children. Svariati esponenti del governo autoritario di Pinochet avrebbero studiato a Chicago con borse di studio finanziate da grandi multinazionali statunitensi come la ITT (telecomunicazioni), secondo quanto afferma la Klein in Shock economy (Rizzoli, 2007). ), Friedman & Szasz on Liberty and Drugs: Essays on the Free Market and Prohibition, Up for Debate: Reform Without Liberty: Chile’s Ambiguous Legacy. If some phrasing is confusing, you are allowed to ask for clarification. Come mai? Alcuni economisti e docenti americani insegnarono in Cile durante la dittatura, ma Friedman non lo fece mai (tranne nelle due volte in cui venne ospite). Algunos definen al neoliberalismo como algo mas que una teoría o postulado es una corriente político-económica que se basa en impulsar a través de lo que postula una reducción de la intervención del Estado a su mínima expresión pero es más que leer un libro. Segnala altre cose da sapere su Milton Friedman nei commenti. Perhaps it’s unsurprising that Britain, in which neoliberal ideology has been most rigorously applied, is the loneliness capital of Europe. Ho tenuto in Cina esattamente le stesse lezioni che ho tenuto in Cile. In particolare Rothbard criticò aspramente le contraddizioni presenti nel pensiero economico di Friedman da molti punti di vista, come ad esempio da un punto di vista monetario, ed in generale sul ruolo centrale affidato allo Stato da parte di Friedman[27]. Having mostly the family and their chosen school be the ones transmitting values seems way closer to such a monopoly. An illustrative example might be Friedmans opposition to the civil rights act. I this really about the distinction of positive and negative rights? 231–232. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. But the people there are freer than the people in Communist societies because government plays a smaller role. So I don't see any point in saying "Businesses have a moral responsibility." This Friedman quote you offer means nothing to me and I certainly don't understand what it is about Friedman's position on the supremacy of shareholders over CEOs and corporate executives that is inconsistent with your take. "The business did a bad thing. Milton Friedman: a biography. No. Neoliberal thought does not simply contain making trade more conducive but also to create an environment hospitable to the free market. Yet he goes later on to say that we dont want a monopoly on the transmission of values. In his opposition to inheritance taxes Friedman said the following: As you grow up you will discover, that this is really a family society and not an individual society [...] And the greatest incentives of all, the incentives that really driven people on, have largely been the incentives of family creation, of family, pursuing, establishing of their family. That was not the topic and it's not contrary to anything i said. He was invited by a private bank to do a six-day visit and to give speeches on the "Fragility of Freedom" during the rule of Pinochet. Fu un regime politico terribile. Des d’aleshores, l’aplicació política de les idees de Milton Friedman, el neoliberalisme, ha superat una rere l’altra les crisis i, contra tot pronòstic, ha sortit reforçat d’elles com explica Thomas Frank al seu llibre Pity the Billionaire. Business is for business, government is for government. Let's also not forget his membership of the economic policy advisory board of Ronald Reagan (whose response to the aids crisis one could describe as very liberal...), where he contributed to the apologia of trickle-down-economics, a spectre that haunts us to this day, Citizens United comes to mind. [19], Friedman inoltre non accettò mai denaro o ruoli politici di consulenza ufficiale da parte del governo cileno, poiché considerava il regime "terribile" e "spregevole". Ebenstein, Lanny (2007). I do, however, think his analysis was historically situated, but more in the French context. [19], Il 17 ottobre 1988 venne insignito della Medaglia presidenziale della libertà, la prestigiosa onorificenza statunitense, dal Presidente Ronald Reagan[20], che condivideva la sua visione liberale e liberista dell'economia. For him it's about the absence of discriminatory action, not about enforced individual rights. They would be still better to get rid of the junta and to be able to have a free democratic system.», «Il Cile non è un sistema politicamente libero, e io non posso perdonare questo. In short it is because it's the historical enemy of liberalism. What’s most evident from this growing popular debate about neoliberalism – whether from left-leaning critics or right-leaning advocates – is that there are many different views of neoliberalism; not just what it mea… ... Friedman's monetary framework has been so influential that in its broad outlines at least, ... Moderator of r/neoliberal, speaking officially just now. «Non mi importa come sono qualificato – diceva –, voglio che la gente pensi alle idee e a quello che possono portare». Hayek, Friedman, and company succeeded. Neoliberalism was communicated through a transatlantic network of think tanks, businessmen, politicians, and journalists that was held together by Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman. The politicians abdicate responsibility to the voters and they in turn can blame their behavior on the circumstances of their economy or state. They aren’t immunologists. È morto per infarto cardiaco il 16 novembre 2006 a San Francisco, all'età di 94 anni. If that means I'm abdicating them of responsibility, it's because I'm putting that responsibility on the state. [9], Per le consulenze economiche rivolte a Pinochet, Milton Friedman è stato spesso criticato, come avvenuto svariate volte anche a José Piñera, economista liberista e allievo di Friedman a Chicago, poi Ministro di Pinochet e autore della riforma delle pensioni in Cile. "The business did not do a bad thing," is a stock dumb-ass reaction. Friedman vs Keynes Il neoliberismo è una costola del capitolo globalizzazione, incredibilmente sottovalutata nella storia contemporanea. Thats what the business quote means. Milton Friedman was also at the meeting of minds. But just out of curiosity: What are your top five conservative ideas? [...] In Cile, il movimento per la libertà politica, che è stato generato anche attraverso la libertà economica e il conseguente successo economico, si è concluso con un referendum che ha introdotto la democrazia politica. For example, medics doctors have been caught commenting on the immunology of COVID—19 to media outlets (especially conservatives outlets), and making baseless suppositions. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Voglio dire, se siete per lo Stato che controlla la riserva monetaria, il sistema educativo ed un reddito annuale garantito, è detto tutto. I want to make it clear, that i am not speaking about the entirety of Mr. Friedmans work, only a certain strain within it that i found very relevant. Many classical liberals, seemingly Friedman too, believe in the primacy of negative rights which are a "freedom from..." You seem to personally value positive rights, which are a "freedom to..." This is most clear in your paragraph on LGBT rights. Autore di molti libri tra i quali Capitalismo e libertà, Liberi di scegliere e Due persone fortunate, Friedman si dimostra un ottimo divulgatore ed uno dei più insigni rappresentanti del pensiero liberista in economia del nostro tempo. My understanding of this quote is that Friedman is emphasizing the incentive power of inheritance. Questo programma avrebbe avuto inizio negli anni cinquanta. Farmand, Law and Public Opinion, “Neo-Liberalism and its Prospects” by Milton Friedman. it's a sorry excuse for a total abdication of moral responsibility by corporate entities. [22] Prese posizione in favore dei diritti LGBT.[23][24]. Il generale, anticomunista e reazionario (e con simpatie parafasciste essendo ammiratore del franchismo), e la sua giunta erano difatti completamente digiuni di finanza e non sapevano come impostare l'economia, essendosi concentrati solo sulla repressione di marxisti e oppositori, per cui alcuni ex studenti di Friedman già in previsione del golpe gli avevano suggerito di rivolgersi per consigli al loro insegnante dell'università. Again there seems to be a primacy of the family for no rational reason. Neoliberalism is criticized for giving markets too much power over our lives. Scopri tutti i libri, leggi le ... Milton Friedman. If I imagine that a business did something bad, and try to enumerate the possible responses, with "should" to clarify proposed actions... "The business did a bad thing. Intensa anche la sua attività di divulgazione, caratterizzata dal suo ritenere più dannosi che utili molti degli interventi dello stato nell'economia e dalle sue idee favorevoli al libero mercato e alla politica del laissez-faire. Nel 2005 Friedman è stato il primo firmatario di un appello[25], sottoscritto da oltre 500 economisti statunitensi, atto a denunciare gli enormi costi (7,7 miliardi di dollari all'anno) del proibizionismo sulla marijuana. Is that right? Non c'è molto altro da aggiungere.». We thus have the ironic phenomenon that union leaders—at least in the U.S. —have objected to Government interference with the market far more consistently and courageously than have business leader. You might disagree with those views, but nothing in those quotes strike me as requiring an analysis of Friedman's social conservatism. I have heard it argued, that this is because modern economics is a counter-reaction to Marx, which makes for a really good story (and is, as I just noticed, a rather marxist/materialist way of looking at it), but this is probably not the underlying reason. Help Advance Ideas Defining a Free Society. Neoliberalism takes the Anglo-American economic model which has its theoretical origins in thinkers and institutions such as Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek and the Chicago School of Economics. The conflict of interest is naked and clear when union officals are asked to subordinate the interest of their members to some more general social purpose. So you are an economist who thinks private religious schools are better than public school? To put it another way, I think "Doing right things for the wrong reasons" is the maximum we can ever expect from a business. You will accept his argument if it confirms your priors, if you share with him the underlying believe: Family bonds and hierarchies matter more than meritocracy. There is excellent information there. I disagree, because the same logic can be applied to politics and politicians: They will never come up with morals on their own. He believed that businesses taking any consideration other than shareholder profit into consideration was socialism. 100% agree. It is not liberalism. Those quotes about the importance of family and private religious organizations in teaching values are seem to me perfectly within the realm of acceptable belief. Failure to control inflation is not a failure of labor unions, it is a failure of governance. Liberalism, as it developed in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries and flowered in the nineteenth, puts major emphasis on the freedom of individuals to control their own destinies. As a consequence it's not only appropriated for political purposes, but it's discussion and creation is marked from the beginning on by an ideological tone. Im interested to hear your thoughts on this. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Im familiar with the distinction and i also dont think it‘s a distinction of matter, but rather rhetoric, but in some cases the different phrasing actually indicates different views. It could just as well be argued, that we are a "society" society, in which public respect is a crucial driver and wealth whose owner is dead therefore should be distributed to everyone, at least by default. Pollution is actually good for you. I think it is a purely semantical distinction that my fellow classical liberals are all too happy to make. 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Their beliefs became the accepted wisdom of governments across the globe, especially in 1979-1981 with the rise to power of Margaret Thatcher in Great Britain, Deng Xiaoping in China, and Ronald Reagan in the United State, all avid promoters of neoliberal … gathering rather than the kind of intense intellectual community it once was,” Milton Friedman wrote in 1987 to his friend and comrade-in-arms, Arthur Seldon, founder of the Institute for Economic Affairs, a British pro-market think tank. Farmand,17 February 1951, pp. Behind Milton Friedmans radical liberalism is a lot of thinly veiled social conservatism and we need to talk about it. They will never come up with morals on their own. It's best we all just assume responsibility where we are: As managers, politicians or citizens. He might have thought that homophobia would disappear on their own while supporters of more state action wanted the state to actively prevent discrimination. Having contactpoints to the general opinion and people from all social classes does not seem to be contrary to that idea. Conservatism has meant different things depending on time and context. Masters of the Universe: Hayek, Friedman, and the Birth of Neoliberal Politics (Inglese) Copertina flessibile – 29 luglio 2014 di Daniel Stedman Jones (Autore) › Visita la pagina di Daniel Stedman Jones su Amazon. Il neoliberismo è un indirizzo di pensiero economico che, in nome delle riconfermate premesse dell’economia classica, denuncia le sostanziali violazioni della concorrenza perpetrate da concentrazioni monopolistiche all’ombra del laissez-faire e chiede pertanto misure statali atte a riaffermare l'effettiva libertà di mercato e a garantire con ciò il rispetto anche delle libertà politiche. Alot of people seem to make this argument so I suspect they're reading something I haven't read yet. Our modern liberal democracies were built thanks to the success of liberalism (with some help of proto-socialists) against the monarchic structures which conservatism defended. This is obviously a very 1970s view that's been thoroughly rebuked by the business community. http://www.LibertyPen I dont denounce the value of family. Pinochet was convinced, through supporters among the academics in the elite Chilean universities, to try a new series of economic policies, called "neoliberal" by their founders, the economists of the University of Chicago, led by an economist by the name of Milton Friedman, who three years later would go on to win a Nobel Prize in Economics for what he was about to unleash upon Chile. In 2006, Hendry said that Friedman was guilty of "serious errors" of misunderstanding that meant "the t-rati… Le condizioni delle persone in questi ultimi anni sono andate sempre meglio e non peggio. The state has to choke their money until they comply with human morals. Friedman argued that it was immoral for a company to care about anything other than the interests of it's shareholders. I didn't claim any such thing. The state has to choke their money until they comply with human morals. Chile will continue to be an interesting experiment to watch to see whether it can keep all three or whether, now that it has political freedom, that political freedom will tend to be used to destroy or reduce economic freedom.», «Non ho nulla di buono da dire sul regime politico che Pinochet ha imposto. Professor Friedman explains the proper role of regulation in a free market. Also, please go easy on me, this is my first of these longer posts. So I don't see any point in saying "Politicians have a moral responsibility." [8] Nella prima di queste visite, sostenne pubblicamente che la libertà economica non poteva nel lungo periodo conciliarsi con una dittatura e che quindi un regime militare non potesse essere sostenuto, in quanto non essendo controllato dal voto popolare tendeva a stabilizzarsi e a portare sotto di sé l'economia, generando l'ennesimo statalismo; quindi solo la democrazia politica poteva conciliarsi con il liberismo. I find it very strange that anyone would 100% agree with a very unprincipled, inconsistent, and obviously tortured view of Friedman... unless they are committed to boogeymanning him and accepting any ole mean-sounding thing that comes across their desk. Privatization of social policy is undemocratic. Pinochet intraprese una serie di riforme economiche di stampo liberista che seguivano gli orientamenti di Friedman. Now, at long last, Chile has all three things: political freedom, human freedom and economic freedom. 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